エジプトの刑務所から解放されたGoogle社員Ghonimがテレビのインタビューに応じた

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GoogleのMENA担当マーケティング役員Wael Ghonimが、今朝(米国時間2/7)、刑務所から解放されてから初めての簡単なインタビューを、エジプトのOnテレビで行った。Ghonimは目隠しをされ、ムバラク政権に対する抗議運動を組織化した容疑で12日間拘束された。インタビューで彼が話したことの概要は:

“何よりもまず、亡くなった方たちのご家族におくやみを申し上げたい。お詫びする、という言葉は言えない。なぜなら、抗議活動は何も破壊していないし、すべての抗議が平和的に行われ、われわれのモットーは”破壊をするな”だったからだ。第二に申し上げたいのは、私をヒーロー扱いしないでいただきたい。それどころか私は、12日間寝ていただけだ。真のヒーローは外にいた人びとであり、だからカメラと関心は私にではなく、その人たちに向けていただきたい。そして神の思し召しにより、私たちがこの国を変えられますように。神のご加護により、私は元気です。”

インタビューの、英語の字幕付きの録画を、ここで見られる。

GhonimはさらにDreamテレビで長いインタビューを行い、彼が会社(Google)に嘘を言って運動に参加したことを暴露した。彼はまた、28歳のKhaled Saidの死をいたむFacebookページの管理者として、“Facebook youth”と名付けた抗議運動への参加を数千人の人たちに呼びかけたことを認めた。“そのためにキーボードを使ったのがたまたまぼくだっただけ”、と謙遜した。

“木曜の夜、午前1時ごろ、一人の友だちというか会社の同僚と一緒にいた。タクシーに乗ろうとすると、突然4人の人が車を取り囲んだので、助けを求めて叫んだ。結局、目隠しをされて連れ去られた。ぼくが言いたいことは単純だ: 誘拐は犯罪である。逮捕なら、法に基づいてやるべきだ。ぼくはドラッグの売人でもテロリストでもない。”

そのインタビューの中でGhonimは、抗議活動の中で死んだ人たちの写真を見たとき泣き出した。エジプト国スルタンのSooud Al Qassemiは、勇敢にも、インタビューの全体をライブツイートした。それを、下に埋め込んだ。


第二のインタビューの、もっと長い書き起こしを、@exiledsurfer/mathewiによりここで見られる。

[以下インタビュー書き起こし: 英文ママ]

I tricked my employer so I could attend the protests in Egypt. I am not a traitor. I don’t need anything from anyone.

I am not a hero. I was only used the keyboard, the real heroes are the ones on the ground. Those I can’t name. This is the season where people use the word traitor against each other. I wasn’t abused, I was jailed, kidnapped. I met some really intellectual people in jail, they actually thought that we were traitors, working for others. If I was a traitor I would have stayed by the swimming pool in my house in the UAE. What are called the “facebook youth” went out in their tens of thousands on January 25th, talk to them. This is the era where people who have good intentions are considered traitors.

My wife was going to divorce me because I didn’t spend time with her, and now they call me a traitor. I spent all my time on the computer working for my country. I wasn’t optimistic on the 25th but now I can’t believe it. Thanks to everyone who tried to get me out of jail. It’s Haram (sinful, not right) for my father to lose his sight in one eye and now is at risk of losing it in the other. I kept thinking “are people thinking of me?” I was wondering if my family knew where I was, my wife, dad, mother.

I am proud of what I did. This is not the time to settle scores. Although I have people I want to settle scores with myself. This is not the time to split the pie & enforce ideologies. The secret to the success of the facebook page was use of surveys.

I met with the Minister of Interior today. He was sat like any other citizen. He spoke to me like an equal. I respected that. The youth on the streets made Dr Hossam Badrawi (General Secretary of NDP) drive me to my house today. They transfered me to state security, it’s a kidnapping. On Thursday night, at 1am I was with a friend, a colleague from work. I was taking a taxi, suddenly four people surrounded the car, I yelled “Help me, Help me” I was blindfolded then taken away. I will say this as it is: nothing justifies kidnapping, you can arrest me by the law, I am not a drug dealer or terrorist.

Inside I met people who loved Egypt (State Security people) but their methods & mine are not the same. I pay these guys salaries from my taxes, I have the right to ask the ministers where my money is going, this is our country. I believe that if things get better those (good state security people he met) will serve Egypt well. Don’t stand in our way, we are going to serve Egypt. I saw a film director get slapped, they told him “You will die here” Why?

Now they want to have an agreement with me when they are in a position of weakness. I am not a hero, I am a normal person. What happened to me was a crime but I still thank those who tried to got me out, I am an educated person, I have a family. Badrawi told me we took all the bad people out from the NDP. I told him I don’t want to see the logo of the NDP ever again. The NDP is got this country to where it is. You can create a new party. It looks like I might be kidnapped again after this.

There were 300 fake registrations on my facebook page, all negative comments, about how we were allegedly being paid. I was the admin of the page but others paid for it. We are dreamers (says it in English). There was no Muslim Brotherhood presence in organising these protests, it was all spontaneous, voluntary. Even when the Muslim Brotherhood decided to take part it was their choice to do so. This belongs to Egyptian youth.

Please everyone, enough rumours. Enough.

I told the Interior Minister – I was upset – I told him I will go in the car with Hossam Badrawi but without an NDP logo. I told them we don’t want any NDP logo on the streets. I cried when I heard that there are people who died, officers and protesters, this is my country.

I was chatting with Ahmad Maher of 6th of April Youth Movement about the Jan 25 protests but he didn’t know who I was. My wife is an American, I can apply for US citizenship but I didn’t, not even the lottery. Many people want to leave though. We have to restore dignity to all Egyptians. We have to end corruption. No more theft. Egyptians are good people. We are a beautiful people. Please everybody, this is not a time to settle scores, this is a time to build our country.

I can’t claim I know what happened when I was inside. I didn’t know anything until one day before I left. The interrogators wanted to know if outsiders were involved. I convinced them this was a purely Egyptian movement. The treatment was very good, they knew I was a good Egyptian. I was blindfolded for 12 days, I didn’t see their faces. They wanted details, information. “Are the people who planned this outsiders?” We didn’t do anything wrong, this was an appeal.

I wrote an appeal to the president Egypt on Jan 25. I told the Minister of Interior we have two problems 1- We don’t talk to each other, this must be solved, 2- There is no trust. I told the Interior Minister if I stripped naked & told people that I was beaten even without marks they would believe me. The Egyptian State TV channels didn’t portray the truth, that is why people watch the private channels now.

There were several men in the room with me & the Minister of Interior. I asked him if I can speak about this he said as u wish. Everyone asked me “How did you do this?” The Interior Minister told me he was only a minister for 8 days. I was told that people died, one day before I was released.

( They are showing pictures of young people who died during the protests. Wael breaks down crying.)

Wael @Ghonim’s last words: I want to tell families who lost their sons this is not our fault. This is the fault of those clinging to power.

Many thanks to @SultanAlQassemi, a columnist for The National, based in the UAE, and prolific reporter on the #jan25 movement in #egypt


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